{"id":745,"date":"2016-05-16T09:17:17","date_gmt":"2016-05-16T09:17:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.xn--nrdoteket-l8a.dk\/?p=745"},"modified":"2017-06-01T05:41:39","modified_gmt":"2017-06-01T05:41:39","slug":"boen-microsoft-win-10","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/index.php\/2016\/05\/16\/boen-microsoft-win-10\/","title":{"rendered":"Windows 10 og Jagten p\u00e5 Safe-Mode"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>K\u00e6re Microsoft.<\/p>\n<p>Jeg er OS-agnostiker og benytter i hverdagen en blanding af OSX, Linux og Windows i forskellige varianter. Hvert OS har sine fordele og ulemper.<\/p>\n<p>Men p\u00e5 et bestemt omr\u00e5de har I, k\u00e6re Microsoft, den bl\u00e5 f\u00f8rertr\u00f8je: Sk\u00e6rmbilleder uden indikation af progress.<\/p>\n<p>I forbindelse med <a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/index.php\/2015\/06\/25\/har-du-nogensinde-moedt-brugerne-af-dine-it-loesninger\/\">mit arbejde for \u00e6ldresagens PC hj\u00e6lpere<\/a>\u00a0bes\u00f8gte jeg idag en \u00e6ldre herre som har en 2 \u00e5r gammel laptop med windows 10 installeret. Et eller andet er g\u00e5et i spunk i forbindelse med den automatiske opdatering, og maskinen er n\u00f8dt til at rulle opdateringerne tilbage.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Det er s\u00e5dan set fint nok, men det havde den v\u00e6ret i f\u00e6rd med i over to d\u00f8gn, da jeg blev kontaktet. Sk\u00e6rmbilledet siger fint hvad der foreg\u00e5r:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-inpost-add -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1741650889\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n<figure id=\"attachment_747\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-747\" style=\"width: 840px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-747 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-1024x431.png\" alt=\"win10bsod\" width=\"840\" height=\"354\" srcset=\"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-1024x431.png 1024w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-300x126.png 300w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-768x323.png 768w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-1200x505.png 1200w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod.png 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-747\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Klar besked! Men hvor langt er du kommet i processen?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Men hvorfor, k\u00e6re Microsoft, tilf\u00f8jer I ikke en eller anden form for indikation af hvor maskinen er i processen? Dr\u00f8mme scenariet er selvf\u00f8lgelig en progressbar som viser forventet tid til at nuv\u00e6rende opgave er\u00a0f\u00e6rdiggjort, men det har jeg stor forst\u00e5else ikke er nemt at implementere. Det er sv\u00e6rt at vide p\u00e5 forh\u00e5nd hvor lang tid en kompleks sekvens af handlinger p\u00e5 arbitr\u00e6r hardware vil tage.<\/p>\n<p>Men softwaren k\u00f8rer jo ikke tilf\u00e6ldige\u00a0processer! Ovenst\u00e5ende sk\u00e6rmbillede viser at en r\u00e6kke &#8220;undo-handlinger&#8221; er under udf\u00f8relse.\u00a0Hvis I i det mindste (som I jo ogs\u00e5 g\u00f8r i andre sammenh\u00e6nge) skrev noget i retning af &#8220;<em>udf\u00f8rer handling X ud af Y handlinger<\/em>&#8220;, s\u00e5 ville man have en fornemmelse af om der sker noget.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t turn off your computer&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Ok, s\u00e5 hvor l\u00e6nge skal man sidde og vente? I det konkrete tilf\u00e6lde havde maskinen st\u00e5et i\u00a0mere end 50 timer. Skulle jeg have sagt til den \u00e6ldre herre, at han lige skulle give den en uge mere? En m\u00e5ned?<\/p>\n<p>Hvorfor i alverden laver I ikke en timeout funktion?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-inpost-add -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1741650889\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n<figure id=\"attachment_750\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-750\" style=\"width: 840px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-750 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait-1024x449.png\" alt=\"&quot;\u00c5hh hvor l\u00e6nge, \u00e5hh hvor l\u00e6nge...&quot;\" width=\"840\" height=\"368\" srcset=\"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait-1024x449.png 1024w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait-300x132.png 300w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait-768x337.png 768w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait-1200x526.png 1200w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/bsod_pleasewait.png 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-750\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">&#8220;\u00c5hh hvor l\u00e6nge, \u00e5hh hvor l\u00e6nge&#8230;&#8221;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Jeg gjorde det eneste jeg kunne g\u00f8re: Jeg slukkede for maskinen. Vi ved alle hvad problemet er &#8211; jeg har set det flere gange f\u00f8r: En driver update giver problemer og forhindrer boot. L\u00f8sningen er enkel: Boot i safe-mode og manuelt downgrade den p\u00e5g\u00e6ldende driver (samt bloker for automatisk update af den fremover).<\/p>\n<p>Men nu rammer vi ind i en\u00a0feature som I, K\u00e6re Microsoft, har implementeret i windows 10. Den hedder &#8220;Desperat jagt efter at enable safe-mode&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>I de glade gamle dage med windows 7 og nedefter var safe-mode et sp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5l om at trykke F8 under boot. Det var s\u00e5 let at selv jeg kunne finde ud af det.<\/p>\n<p>Windows 10 skal boote hurtigt, og det er if\u00f8lge nogle forklaringer p\u00e5 nettet \u00e5rsagen til at F8\u00a0(eller shift-F8) ikke virker l\u00e6ngere. Vi er helt sikkert alle varme tilh\u00e6ngere af hurtig boot, men helt \u00e6rligt! Et eneste lille bitte sekund kunne man have ofret p\u00e5 et timeout i bootsekvensen, hvor der ventes p\u00e5 F8. Det tror jeg langt de fleste ville have haft det fint med.<\/p>\n<p>Men nej nej. Nu er det skam lavet meget mere GUI-l\u00e6kkert:\u00a0Nettet flyder med fine beskrivelser af flotte GUI sk\u00e6rmbilleder hvor man kan konfigurere startup muligheder, herunder safe-mode. Man kan endda bare holde shift nede mens man klikker genstart. Ih, hvor er det bare smart! Se bare denne how-to fra jeres egen <a href=\"http:\/\/windows.microsoft.com\/en-us\/windows-10\/start-your-pc-in-safe-mode\">hjemmeside<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Men, K\u00e6re Microsoft, der er en lille detalje&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>PC&#8217;en vil ikke boote&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>S\u00e5 er det jo ligesom lidt sv\u00e6rt. H\u00f8nen og \u00e6gget, og alt det der&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Jamen hvad g\u00f8r man s\u00e5? S\u00e5 er det jagten p\u00e5 safe-mode g\u00e5r ind.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-inpost-add -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1741650889\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Man s\u00f8ger og s\u00f8ger p\u00e5 google. Man l\u00e6ser lange tr\u00e5de igennem som diskuterer problemer der minder om ens eget problem.<\/li>\n<li>Man laver en recovery disk p\u00e5 en anden maskine, og booter med den. Her kan man if\u00f8lge nettet g\u00e5 ind og enable safe-mode. Det kunne jeg s\u00e5 ikke. Menupunktet mangler simpelt hen?!?<\/li>\n<li>Man g\u00e5r i command prompt fra recovery disken og pr\u00f8ver at enable safe mode den vej:<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<pre class=\"brush: bash; title: ; notranslate\" title=\"\">\r\nc:\r\nbcdedit \/set {default} bootmenupolicy legacy\r\nexit\r\n<\/pre>\n<p>Men det fejler<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Man sp\u00f8rger i omgangskredsen og pr\u00f8ver alle deres r\u00e5d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Langt om l\u00e6nge. I en obskur diskussion p\u00e5 et obskurt website <a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/index.php\/2016\/05\/24\/saadan-faar-du-windows-10-ikke-boote-safe-mode\/\">falder man over et fif man ikke har pr\u00f8vet f\u00f8r<\/a>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; Og entrerer safe-mode NIRVANA!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-inpost-add -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1741650889\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-760 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"2016-05-16 10.41.19\" width=\"840\" height=\"630\" srcset=\"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19-1200x900.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/2016-05-16-10.41.19.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>YES!! r\u00e5ber jeg og l\u00f8ber et par gange rundt om mig selv mens jeg fist-pumper adskillige gange og uddeler high-fives til\u00a0s\u00e5vel hustru som datter, der begge ser lidt forskr\u00e6kkede ud.<\/p>\n<p>Med rystende h\u00e6nder af bare gl\u00e6de trykker jeg 4 (safe mode) og l\u00e6ner mig triumferende tilbage.<\/p>\n<p>Efter et boot og en inciterende &#8220;starting safe mode&#8221; besked ender computeren p\u00e5 et velkendt sk\u00e6rmbillede:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-747 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-1024x431.png\" alt=\"win10bsod\" width=\"840\" height=\"354\" srcset=\"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-1024x431.png 1024w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-300x126.png 300w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-768x323.png 768w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod-1200x505.png 1200w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/win10bsod.png 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Argh, K\u00e6re Microsoft, I g\u00f8r det ikke nemt at elske jer&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>N\u00e5 men nu har jeg da i det mindste hul igennem til recovery funktionerne som jeg begynder at lege med. Der er en &#8220;automatic startup repair&#8221;, som jeg pr\u00f8ver f\u00f8rst.<\/p>\n<script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-inpost-add -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1741650889\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/autorepair.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-765 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/autorepair-816x1024.png\" alt=\"autorepair\" width=\"816\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/autorepair-816x1024.png 816w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/autorepair-239x300.png 239w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/autorepair-768x964.png 768w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/autorepair.png 860w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Den brugte en\u00a0times tid, men fejlede selvf\u00f8lgelig.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Refresh your PC&#8221;. Sp\u00e6ndende, hvad mon den g\u00f8r? Vi pr\u00f8ver<\/p>\n<script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-inpost-add -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1741650889\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n<figure id=\"attachment_766\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-766\" style=\"width: 764px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/refreshing-pc.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-766 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/www.n\u00f8rdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/refreshing-pc-764x1024.png\" alt=\"En forfriskende behandling\" width=\"764\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/refreshing-pc-764x1024.png 764w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/refreshing-pc-224x300.png 224w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/refreshing-pc-768x1030.png 768w, https:\/\/noerdoteket.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/refreshing-pc.png 805w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-766\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">En forfriskende behandling<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>To timer senere: SUCCESS!<\/p>\n<p>Konsekvensen er dog at windows 10 er blevet nedgraderet til windows 8. Men nu virker den i det mindste.<\/p>\n<p>Suk \ud83d\ude41<\/p>\n<script async src=\"https:\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- wp-ad-rect -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-7793103161450012\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"8706514482\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>K\u00e6re Microsoft. Jeg er OS-agnostiker og benytter i hverdagen en blanding af OSX, Linux og Windows i forskellige varianter. Hvert OS har sine fordele og ulemper. Men p\u00e5 et bestemt omr\u00e5de har I, k\u00e6re Microsoft, den bl\u00e5 f\u00f8rertr\u00f8je: Sk\u00e6rmbilleder uden indikation af progress. 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